Public opinion is sharply divided regarding the two-state solution, with a pro-Palestinian majority advocating for justice and accountability while expressing disappointment in the UN's effectiveness. Many commenters feel a sense of hopelessness and skepticism about the viability of a two-state solution, especially post-October 7 attacks. Overall, there is a strong call for action against perceived injustices and historical grievances.

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Herein lies the problem. If Palestinian Leadership was interested in an actual "Two-State Solution" they would have had that a long time ago. The problem is, going back to Arafat, and then to Abbas; they were never serious about it. And the crux of the matter is that for a "Two-State Solution" requires one of those states to be a Jewish state. The Palestinian leadership has not been able to abide by that. The rest of the Arab world for a long time felt that way; but they seem to be slowly getting over that. Not the Palestinians though. That is why Arafat made "right of return" for Palestinians such a pressing issue during/after Oslo. He knew it was something Israel could and would not capitulate on.

Palestinian leadership has constantly tried to negotiate from a position of strength they have never been in. They try to negotiate as if they won the war. When in the history of the world has the loser of a war gotten to dictate the terms to the winner? So that is precisely why they have never conceded defeat. They have consonantly used "the perfect being the enemy of the good enough" as their excuse to back out of negotiations or make impossible demands they know full well Israel would/could never accommodate.

It's the West that has been fixated on the Two-State Solution as if that is the only solution. Frankly, there is no "good" solution. Just a "least-worst" solution. Personally, I think a "Three-State" solution should be on the table. Israel, West Bank, and Gaza all as separate countries.

MydniteSon

In the far enough future maybe, but at this point I’d be shocked if it happens within my lifetime.

I also don’t see any future we could reasonably call “peaceful” without some kind of two-state solution.

jmartkdr

The two state solution is dead.

Palestinians killed it along with everything else they could get their hands on on October 7th.

i_mann

No, i don't believe peace is possible anymore.

But for those who were previously aspirational like me, throughout this hopeless persuit of peace, even though the palestinians always fell into an ever worsening predicament in each conflict, we were always willing to provide concessions and deal, obviously not on equal footing since they were never from a position of strength to negotiate to their advantage, but still something that could have led to a process towards real peace.

But not anymore, i dont want peace and i dont believe peace is possible with them any longer......

ElkWitty6345

10/7 killed the two-state. And the two-peoples-one-state, if it ever was a real possibility to begin with. 

Palestinians are going to either remain stateless inhabitants of a territory; or are going to leave. 

I don’t like it, but it’s the only possible resolution I can see at this point, for at least a generation. There’s no coming back from 10/7. It’s impossible to view Palestinian leadership, and Palestinian civilians as a whole, as trustable partners for peace after what happened that day. Israel will have to assume that any opportunity Palestine gets to hurt Israel, it will take. And you can’t allow a state like that to form.

jwrose

NYSenseOfHumor

Of course, and we shouldn’t give up hope. 

We dreamed of having our homeland back for millennia. Why is this any different?

listenstowhales

I don't think it was ever possible as it was consistently rejected. I don't really like the saying, but "trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is a definition of insanity"

FineBumblebee8744

I want to believe in a two-state solution that doesn’t involve Hamas and the current Israeli government, but recent developments such as the planned occupation of Gaza and the expansion of E1 settlements, the latter of which would “[bury] the idea of a Palestinian state” according to Smotrich, make that future seem less and less likely everyday.

Sossy2020

But also A Land for All’s [two-state confederation idea](https://www.2s1h.org/en) doesn’t seem so bad

I believe in a 2 state solution with the PA in charge less and less every day, but I do believe that there could be something like a Palestinian Holy Roman Empire - lots of tiny fiefdoms that elect a representative every few years.

Appropriate_Gate_701

The two state solution isn't dead, but it also isn't being helped along (despite claims by some nations trying to justify their dumb little domestic political ploys). While the current Israeli government isn't exactly one that wants the two state solution, many members of the opposition do. I think that many people who claim the two state solution is dead are just trying to will it into existence.

mysupersexyalt

I think in my lifetime there will be peace.  I am not sure if it can happen with Netanyahu or Hamas still around.

pghtopas

Concerning the war itself: You kind of have an either or situation.  Hamas will only give up hostages if they have a full guarantee that they can survive as an organization.  If Israel fully invades to retrieve the hostages then Hamas will likely kill the hostages.  To me the best solution is to endanger 50 hostages in order to build cities of 100,000 Jews in Gaza.  If Hamas wants to stop the construction in the middle then they can return the hostages and disarm which was always the offer of surrender.

Concerning two states: It was on life support in 2006 when Israel disengaged from Gaza and Hamas took over.  Now it is dead because of how proud the Palestinians are of the October 7 attacks.  Even if the Palestinians were to say that they regret the attacks, that could not be trusted.

extrastone

This thread is the most realistic discussion of the topic I’ve seen to date on Reddit.  Of course, much of Reddit is a sewer, so the bar isn’t high.

Acetabulum666

To be honest, no. I think a single democratic solution is the most just and viable solution. No one can deny that Jews have faced oppression and genocide in our history, and no one honest can deny Palestinian suffering in refugee camps and under occupation. Israeli settlements backed by the government show that Israel has never taken the two-state solution seriously, despite widespread international support. I think only a binational democratic state with religious freedom can provide peace in the future. The only problem is that Palestinians and Israelis don’t seek to support this idea at all.

Good-Concentrate-260

No, because neither party wants a two-state solution, despite the world refusing to acknowledge that fact. In an existential battle, the stronger side will win.

Pensaro

If there isn’t a two state solution, the only ethical and moral solution is one democratic state with equal rights. Smotritch just announced plans for settlement expansion that is explicitly meant to end the goal of a two state solution. If the problem was just violence, there remained the possibility of future reconciliation and peace. But if there isn’t any chance for a Palestinian state because the territory is carved up by settlements and there isn’t even a place for it, then it’s dead. Plenty of people here will talk only about Palestinian culpability it’s its failure but it’s ridiculous to ignore that settlements may well have made a two state solution completely impossible and infeasible in any realistic future.

aggie1391

I mean wasn't this the Original Borders of 1948?
Wich Israel agreed to but Palestine didn't?

Jumpy-Foundation-405

Sadly this is the most unrealistic outcome!

Low-Capital8383

This map I think is unrealistic especially so today. It more or less would have been more accepted 50+ years ago.

conskripts

So you actually believe that the player with the upper hand (Israel) would simply give up, pack its things and leave ?!?

… and you also believe that the newly freed Palestinian population would immediately start supporting democracy/liberty and not at all turn against the Israeli population ?!?

This is George W. bush 2nd war of Iraq level of delusion…

Electrical-River-992

OMG you actually think Arab Israelis would want to be included in a future Palestinian state ROFL

Fun_Tour5626

I’m sorry, but there’s no way Israeli society is going to accept the deportation of 700,000 (regardless of how illegal the settlements were), the loss of Jerusalem, and denationalization. This is just going to lead to the Irgun coming back with a vengeance.

While the scenario would be better for Palestinians, they would still have plenty of bones to pick. To start, solidifying their loss of East Jerusalem would be a nonstarter. Then there are the Palestinian refugees: they are in no way, shape, or form going to yield their claims to their ancestral land, even if the alternative is free housing in a stable Palestine. Again, this just creates an incentive for extremism.

Both-Main-7245

so unrealistic and biased towards palestine.

there is now way israel will give up the galilee, and expultion of jews from jerusalem is insane.

Think_Bat_3613

If they had accepted the original partition plan, they would have had even more, sadly I don't think Israel will ever give them more land.

Kalgalas

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Zorxkhoon

yanai_memes

No. Clearly wildly biased towards Palestine.  There’s talk of eviction of “Illegal Israel settlers”, giving away Gailiee (a part of Israel that is basically uncontested and accepted as part of Israel even now, except by the most radical members of Hezbollah/Hamas), outlawing “ethnonationalsm and Zionism” in Israel. No such talk of outlawing Palestinian ethnonationalism. Arabic as an official second language in Israel sounds reasonable on its face, but there are no similar guarantees for the status of Hebrew in Palestine. Then we have the talk of the West having to “cleanse” Israel of annti-Palestinian hatred while no similar demands are made of Palestine. This is actually Palestinian maximalism disguised as a reasonable proposal.

NYCTLS66

None of this will ever happen and that’s a good thing.

Mixilix86

You would need a massive land invasion by western forces and a long occupation in order to dismantle the IDF and enforce this new map.

Kuato84

Anything less than a one state Palestine only justifies Zionism and the settlements that come alongside it

Thess_G

Can’t believe you managed to get Israelis and Palestinians to agree about how horrible this solution would be

eviyotim

Wrathfultv

Not in a position to demand stuff so outrageous from Israel after trying to destroy it and failing so many times

The 67 borders are okay. Imo

Deep_Head4645

One state solution is the only valid option no matter who you support

TheGreatBazileus

Blue is of course partof the Mediterran Sea

Der_ewige_Sturm

AttentionLimp194

The only solution is a united state, with expelled Palestinians being allowed to return to their stolen homes.

PP_Roaming

I love Palestine so much, I prefer to see 3 of them

UkrainianHawk240

“*A Palestinian state, rather than providing a base for terror, would be more likely to reduce it in ways that the Israel Defense Forces cannot. **That is because terrorists can now act with near impunity, as they are not responsible for any territory or economy and have no citizens to answer to**. Absent a Palestinian state, Israel likely faces a forever war. By contrast, the government of a Palestinian state would face the military and economic consequences of any attacks it authorized on Israel, which would be acts of war rather than terrorism, and of unauthorized attacks that occurred from within its borders, which a sovereign government is expected to prevent.*” 

His perspective in this specific paragraph feels idealistic and in direct contradiction with how the local actors - both Hamas and the Israeli government - perceive the reality of Gaza since 2007... 

Hamas in many ways came to power by initially focusing on social services &amp; presenting themselves as the law-and-order de facto government in a land rife with violence and instability (in addition to being absolutely brutal vis-à-vis Fatah forces &amp; eventually the civilian population too). 

Israel in many ways has treated Hamas as the de facto government, going as far as approving work permits and allowing funds in over the years partially in the hopes that it would moderate Hamas’ more militant factions, which clearly did not work. Israel’s reaction to October 7th is very much the type of military and economic consequences that Haas is describing would happen with a future Palestinian state, so I really do not see what additional consequences he imagines would happen differently with/without official Palestinian statehood. (I am not saying Palestinian statehood should not happen eventually once negotiated between Israelis and Palestinians; I simply think Haas makes a very weak argument for it, given what has transpired these last few years).

ImaginaryBridge

It doesn't solve the issue. You need to listen to ACTUAL Palestinians. The majority of them feel ALL of the land is theirs. Again, most not all, Palestinians feel the entirety of the land should be free of Jewish Israelis. They've turned down a state 5 times. They elected Hamas in Gaza which has that in their Charter. Also watch the ASK Project on YouTube. They repeat it over and over. They don't want some of the land. They want all of it. They need to be de-radicalized.

One-Progress999

Incredibly naive article - A Palestinian state would not curb any violence. Look at Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, as those provide "cookie-cutter" models for how to continue attacking Israel, even after a potential state would be formed.

Step 1: Create a government / state.

Step 2: Form a violent paramilitary to attack Israel.

Step 3: Once Israel attacks the paramilitary back, hide within and underneath civilians. Claim disproportionate response, civilian deaths (even if they are military operatives), war crimes / genocide, etc...Rally the international community to condemn / weaken Israel.

Iran knows this, so if a potential Palestinian state were to form (which is obviously a highly unlikely scenario), they would be ready to send in military equipment, missiles, etc. under the guise of food / medicinal aid. It may not happen immediately, but you can bet it will happen.

ComprehensiveKiwi489

Israel *has* offered multiple two-state solution deals in exchange for renunciations of terrorism and security guarantees multiple times, and they have been refused every time.

The problem is the society is right now an overwhelmingly radicalized one.  If you get a government entity by some miracle that is actually willing to crack down on terrorism in exchange for statehood, it will be seen as a collaborationist puppet government and what’s left of Hamas or a successor group will be vastly more popular and very likely take over.

There is no deradicalization when UN schools are staffed full of Hamas members and Hamas sympathizers.  There is no deradicalization when western governments are going to reward Hamas by recognizing statehood in the aftermath of the Oct. 7th attacks and the war they started.

Until that changes there is no hope for a 2 state solution, and you’re going to get more of the same.

Bullboah

\&gt;The Chance for a Two-State Solution Still Exists 

 

 At this point, even that hippie "One Secular, Multicult, State" looks more realist, sorry.

Jealous_Land9614

Idiotic take.

We had a Palestinian state 2005-2025. It promoted terrorism and was a major security risk for Israel.

As long as the Palestinian people want to fight, whatever government they have will always have an incentive to fight Israel or be replaced by a group who will.

The-_Captain

I’ll be honest. I don’t see a roadmap for how a 2 state solution could be ironed out here. Fatah can hardly tackle Hamas insurgencies on the West Bank without coordination with the IDF. It is also very unpopular with the Palestinian People. 

Not to mention the distance and area between the West Bank and Gaza akin to East and West Pakistan. I don’t know how many members are in the Fatah security wing but I imagine that there isn’t enough to keep a lid on the insurgencies in the West Bank and Gaza given that they lost the civil war to Hamas. Overall, I’d imagine that situation would metastasize like how it is in Lebanon where the central Lebanese Government having no control of their de-facto military wing (Hezbollah).

Additionally, the settlements on the West Bank are dispersed in a way where they can’t be a contiguous Palestinian state. There are already 750,000 Israeli settlers inhabiting there too. It’d be a total struggle to pluck them all out and compensate them appropriately like they did in 2005.I think Israel should just annex the West Bank and uncoil citizenship to all the Palestinians living there. They would still have a Jewish demographic majority too.

On Gaza, I have no ideas about what could be done. Fatah could maybe rebuild and follow the path drafted by Sisi. The Gaza Strip is like 10x smaller than Areas B and C in the West Bank. So it is feasible for statecraft. I suspect that it would take ages to clear up and reconstruct anything resembling a state for awhile though.

fuggitdude22

This analysis has many interesting points. Haas argues that a Palestinian state is less of a threat to Israel because it will have an incentive to rein in terrorism while currently violence is an outlet for a people who are stateless with little hope of having a state. That argument makes sense to me. The counter argument would be that what if a newly formed Palestine state elects a Hamas govt that does not rein it in and the violence continues.

r_bradbury1

The chance of a two state solution happening in my lifetime died on October 7, 2023.

RauchenSaufen

This analysis is actually garbage and I don’t know who let this person write on the subject. 

Let’s break it down:

‘ That having a state of their own would be good for the Palestinians goes without saying.’

This is not a given. Israeli Arabs live much better than most other Arabs in the Middle East. It may be morally correct to allow them to self determine, but the idea that it would practically benefit them is supported by no historical data.

‘ Many Israelis and their supporters around the world—even those angry with Netanyahu’s conduct in the war and with what many see as an assault on Israeli democracy—now strongly oppose a Palestinian state, fearing that it would become a base from which armed factions would mount operations.’

This is presented as a new understanding. It is not.

‘ It turns out that radical Palestinians are not the only ones who covet all that lies between the river and the sea.’

This presents the extremists as equivalent. While there are Israeli extremists to match the Palestinians, this seems to imply that the reason Israel wants the territory is broadly for the same reasons the Palestinians do. This is false. Israelis want the territory because Judea and Samaria are the high ground overlooking the middle of the country, and defending this border has proved impossible (and the need for defense has proved itself over and over). The current state of Israeli politics is not religious radicalism, it’s the preference for safety in a world where peace seems to be no option (any hope of peace was wrecked by 7/10).

‘ Both the Israelis and the Palestinians would be better off with a viable, independent, sovereign state inhabited by Palestinians and run by them—but one premised on conditions that would preclude it from posing a security threat to Israel.’

If we define a state as the monopoly on violence within a territory (Weber) then this wouldn’t satisfy the state condition. Even if we define it otherwise, an honor based country culture will always object to being militarily inferior/repressed.


‘ A Palestinian state, rather than providing a base for terror, would be more likely to reduce it in ways that the Israel Defense Forces cannot. That is because terrorists can now act with near impunity, as they are not responsible for any territory or economy and have no citizens to answer to. ’

The PA ‘works’ to combat terrorism already within its jurisdiction. They just don’t really do it. How would giving them more power change this? What will motivate the new state to not use its newfound resources to do more of what got it the state in the first place (violence).

‘ By contrast, the government of a Palestinian state would face the military and economic consequences of any attacks it authorized on Israel, which would be acts of war rather than terrorism, and of unauthorized attacks that occurred from within its borders, which a sovereign government is expected to prevent.’

This is wishful thinking. The majority of the world already acknowledges Palestine as a state, and Hamas/the PA as its government. Both of these organizations carry out/sponsor attacks against Israel, and the world condemns Israel’s responses. In reality, if a Palestinian state was formed, and it chose violence as the Palestinians have in the past, this should justify the full disestablishment of the Palestinian state. But it won’t, and at best the ‘legal’ answer Israel will have is occupation. So Israel will have to wait till Israelis are killed to end up where it started.

‘ This reality should motivate a responsible government—one not run by Hamas—to act in constructive ways while providing Israel recourse if Palestinian leaders proved unable or unwilling to meet their international obligations.’

Responsible by what standard? By the standard of Islam and Jihad the current rulership is doing a damn good job! Who’s going to enforce western values on them?

‘ Being seen as open to a Palestinian state would help Israel avoid pariah status around the world, a reality that is gaining momentum as a reaction to Israel’s military operations in Gaza.’

Between terror attacks and global condemnation, I understand why Israel chooses the latter.

‘ Last but most pressing, support in principle for a Palestinian state would offer Israel a pathway out of Gaza and to getting the remaining hostages back. ’

Hamas has no interest in returning the hostages ever, because that would leave them with no leverage.

‘ It is, of course, possible that Israel will not have a diplomatic partner in the Palestinians, who are deeply divided politically. If so—if Palestinians are not prepared to reject Hamas and embrace moderation and a willingness to compromise—then Israel would be much less likely to be viewed by many, as it is now, as the principal impediment to peace.’

This is insanity to read. ‘If the Palestinians are as they always have been, the world will side with Israel.’ We are living the proof that this statement is entirely false. 

‘ Absent a Palestinian state, Israel likely faces a forever war.’

Yes this is literally what the Arabs want. They have higher birth rates, and a strong belief in martyrdom. They talk in Arabic about the unavoidable downfall of Israel as if it’s a fact. Because ultimately, it is, since the world refuses to let Israel win, but refuses to prevent the Arabs from continuing to fight.


‘ Saudi Arabia, the wealthiest Arab country, and one that enjoys a unique status in the Islamic world, has signaled its readiness to normalize ties if Israel demonstrates a willingness to address Palestinian national demands under reasonable conditions.’

While Saudi Arabia might be a unique case in this instance, ‘reasonable conditions’ for the Arabs include full right of return not only for those who fled the war in 1948, but all their descendants. This means more Arabs would be allowed to move into Israel than there are Jews there, instantly making Jews a minority in a democratic nation (which, judging by all history, would not remain democratic for long).


Seriously, this is a professional publication. Who thought this was an adult take?

ADP_God

Fully agreed,  but in the 20 years since Israel pulled out of Gaza there has not been a single year when missiles have not been launched from there into Israel. Over 10,000 missiles have been launched in those two decades. 

Statehood comes with responsibility.  I am not seeing it from Hamas.

UnluckyPossible542

Basically "if we give terrorists access to tanks and fighter jets they'll be responsible with them because they'll have a country".

themightycatp00

Of course it would be good for Israelis but have they asked Palestinians,  especially Gazans, how they feel about it? I imagine even Israelis stopped believing in a 2 state solution after Oct 7th. It's radical right wishing for a war to stop in Ukraine (by Ukraine capitulating). Yeah world peace is great, but it's a teenagers dream with no roots in reality.

Pickles112358

People who on paper who support a two state solution but then write essays say a one state solution will somehow be inevitable baffle me.

A one state solution (and the status quo) being unviable in basically any possible world is why anyone would support a two state solution to start with. 

And yes a Palestinian state is the best longterm solution for the conflict but only one with strong meaningful security guarantees.

spinosaurs70

the people here who are so adamantly against a palestinian state, conveniently never elaborate as to what is the alternative to that, particularly as time goes on and the expansion of israeli settlement in the west bank grows more stablished

It seems like many are hinting at ethnic cleansing as the only possible long term arrangement

ale_93113

&gt; Resolving the Palestinian issue would also create a context in which the Abraham Accords, and normalization between Arab countries and Israel more generally, could continue and broaden.

This is what it is really all about.

Saudis want to see Palestinian issue quite down; instability is particularly bad for you if you are in the investment business, let alone the biggest investment body in the world. [Kushner has been saying this for years](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-economic-interests-normalise-israel-jared-kushner) and it seems the Saudis are ever more inclined to agree.

At the same time there's a [shift in Arab regime attitude towards non-state armed groups like Hezbolla or Hamas](https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/04/middleeast/egypt-gaza-plan-draft-hamas-war-israel-arab-summit-intl) - they want them gone for fear they or other similar group would be able to launch an Oct 7th-like attack directed not at Israel but at their regimes.

Notice how the [push to recognize Palestine is spearheaded by France *with Saudi Arabia*](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/saudi-arabia-france-un-palestine-statehood). A very telling sign that this wave of declarations of intention to recognize Palestine is part of a much larger play.

Basically, the idea seems to, once war is over, that Israel will be presented with a choice between accepting emaciated Palestinian state in WB (and later in Gaza) in exchange for Saudis joining Abrham accords and normalizing relations with Israel (the carrot).

Failing this, Israel would face world condemnation and even Trump turning his back on it (the stick). Also, it seems [likely Israel would be allowed to annex the settlement blocks](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-stands-with-israel-after-calls-by-israeli-ministers-to-annex-occupied-west-bank/3620210) to make this pill a little easier to get passed the far-right elements in Israel's government.

If this play works, it would be the start of a new era in the region, and of course, Trump would get his Noble (though probably MBS and MBZ would deserve it more).

And if the play doesn't work - another decade or two of bloodshed probably, before a new window opens, so I for one am hoping Trump ends up getting his noble, funny how one man's ego can help drive historic events sometimes.

rnev64

&gt;A Palestinian state would free Israel from having to choose between being a democracy and being a Jewish state: granting five million Palestinians equal rights would threaten the latter, while denying them such rights would threaten the former. Obviously, all signs point to Israel denying them such rights, a trend that would only increase Israel’s international isolation.

What's so frustrating is that Netanyahu either doesn't understand this, or does understand it but cares more about his own political survival and staying out of Israeli prison, so he continues to sink any chance of it happening.

A two-state solution is vital to Israel's long-term survival. The issues on the Palestinian side absolutely need to be ironed out, but that can still happen after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Do1stHarmacist

Two of the countries who are totally disinterested in a two state solution:


- Palestine
- Israel


Not much else really matters.

ElCaminoInTheWest

It’s the only sensible solution, but Palestinians have rejected it several times, and post Oct 7th I can’t imagine many Israelis going for it either. It’s the farthest away it’s been in generations. So the fighting and bloodshed will continue for generations to come.

OneWheelTank

pokemonplayer2001

How brave… pass a nonbinding resolution, with no feasible plan of execution, no ability to enforce, and no chance of being accepted by any of the parties in question.  Is there nothing more useful we can do with the prime Manhattan real estate they host these circle jerks in?

Sufficient_Plate_595

I wish the world cared that much about Sudan, Yemen, victims of cartels in south America and north Korean slaves

Awareness2051

ok and is the un gonna demilitarise hamas?

Nisabe3

Someone should tell Hamas, I'm sure they want a two state solution right? 

Few_Assignment_3826

Genius!  I can’t believe no one has thought of this before, like in 74 or 93 or 00 or 13, or any of the years between. Those boys at the UN have done it again!  Let’s all celebrate by shitting on the US for being one of the few mildly sensible members to acknowledge that maybe right now isn’t the best time to put this particular change into effect.

Jumpy_Counter_4114

Just like they did in 1947! Spoiler: &gt;!The Arabs invade the Jewish part!&lt;

luckierbridgeandrail

If the vote were about destroying Israel and expelling Jews from their land, the council would likely vote in favor.

Numerous-Village-421

Including the Palestinian "right" of return (factually there is no such thing) which aims to destroy Israel. Any state that voted in favour of this must be considered openly antisemitic.

SonRaetsel

Couldn't they have just had an overwhelming vote for a two state solution before now and avoided the whole October 7th stuff altogether?  

Glad they got it all sorted now though.  /s

oldfogey12345

Oh good. Glad the UN finally solved this one.

magnumopus44

Folks that the UN apparently offers this to:

No

It's the most on the table of things that has ever been on the table, yet here we are

arkon__

That’s great and I want 10 million dollars direct deposited.

ImAjustin

The 193-member world body approved a nonbinding resolution endorsing the "New York Declaration," which sets out a phased plan to end the nearly 80-year conflict. The vote was 142-10 with 12 abstentions. The United States was one of the 10 states that voted against.

Efficient-Ruin-4713

seba07

Some states that claim to be pro-Palestine like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bolivia, and Venezuela did not vote. This was likely because the resolution condemned the Oct. 7 attacks*, called for the Palestinian state to be without Hamas*, and called for a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine.

*(The first and second items were done indirectly, via endorsement of the "New York Declaration," while the third was directly stated in the resolution.)

Source: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/09/1165835

nondescriptun

That’s not good for trump properties forecast

Kreepr

CorvinRobot

What is the solution, that they are going to use to have the 2 states, Hamas is running Gaza.

Baratheoncook250

There won’t be a two state solution if nobody stops Israel from destroying one of the states.

Particular_Pickle465

Let’s see what happened the last time the UN created a religious ethnic state…

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&gt;they manage to work to form a single country - maybe with some kind of 50/50 arab/jewish representation and two prime ministers, or some other solution.

This is out of touch with the people that live here and will never happen, nobody wants that, even if you somehow force them, when did it ever work to just shove 2 conflicting nations into 1 country?
 
&gt;I do not think there will be peace until they stop pushing for a two-state solution.

Why?

There will never be peace until people stop pushing a one state solution, it will never be accepted by either party and even if it was it would lead to a brutal civil war.

&gt;I will admit though that I am not the most knowledgeable on the situation, so I am open to having my views changed.

What percentage of palestinians do you think support terrorism against Israel?

Do you think Israelis will wanna dissolve their country to make a new country with people that wanna do terrorism against them?

CaptainCarrot7

OP, why do you think a one state solution with dual leadership that somehow keeps a population around 50-50 (I guess the Christians need to leave) is possible while a two state solution is impossible? 

Personally, I think the two state solution, as unpopular as it is among both groups, is the only path without killing a million plus people. The fact that it's difficult shouldn't deter us from pursuing it as the value of life is too great to condemn either side to death.

We've achieved harder things. Look at how successful Japan is today when they were suicidal fascists recovering from two nuclear strikes and losing a world war less than a century ago.

HugsForUpvotes

A two-state situation is already basically the status quo.

You have Israel and you have Gaza, controlled by separate governments that are hostile to one another and do not cooperate except in rare, mediated situations.

The situation in the West Bank is, obviously, much more complicated, given that different powers are held by the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli government. However, given the situation in Gaza, regardless of what happens to the PA eventually - whether Israel annexes the West Bank, Israel allows the PA more sovereignty, Hamas is able to take over the West Bank as well, or some other thing I can't predict - there are, already, two de-facto states. The question is whether there may be *more or fewer* than two in the future.

Thumatingra

Pakistan and India made it work after a lot of bloodshed. North and South Korea too, not mutual recognition, both claim the entirety of the other, peaceful, for now. The status quo between China and Taiwan also sort of a two 'state' solution where Taiwan has sovereignty but next to no diplomatic recognition. 

All still haven't destroyed each other, although it seems like they always are perpetually on the verge of starting shit because shitty neighbours.

The two most of the way to two states already (or three if you separate WB and Gaza), just one side has no control over its sovereignty. 

It could happen. Just not sure how likely.

hortonian_ovf

I’m not interested in what *won’t* work. 

Tell me about what will work. 

Two groups of people have deep-seated claims to one patch of land. Neither has any intention of leaving. Neither truly has the capacity to completely wipe out the other or truly push them off of the land completely and forever (If you think the war in Gaza has been bad, god, imagine trying to do this in the West Bank…). 

A two state - or a binational state, which is a 2SS with more steps - is going to be the only thing that ever might work. 

The only question is how many people are going to have to die before the people who live there - and the governments they elect - figure that out.

GonzoTheGreat93

“Both Israel and Palestine want the entire place”

FALSE. Israel has offered numerous deals that give up territory and other major concessions in exchange for peace. All have been denied

Rawr171

I don’t think I could change this view. Even in this thread, people are weirdly blaming Palestinians for not accepting the initial plan of having their land taken from them. That’s a wholly unreasonable ask. They’re being treated as though they should’ve rolled out the red carpet for the people moving into their homes, and that they deserve all of this for wanting to not be displaced. People are claiming that “Israel didn’t start any of the wars” but that just doesn’t check out. They stole the land to begin with, and don’t start with the “ancestral homeland” nonsense either. I simply will not expect Palestinians to recognize dubious, 3000 year old claims to their homes. Israel is always willing to accept treaties and peace deals and half measures, because they just want any foothold they can get. Then, they just so happen to let people from Long Island gradually encroach on Palestinian territory and then “whoops well they’re already there so we might as well install military checkpoints in the area”. This constant game of “I’m not touching you” is indicative of the fact that Israel is not honestly willing to coexist with a Palestinian state. They’ve chopped up the West Bank and walled in the Gaza Strip, and they just keep taking more. They mistreat the Palestinians little by little by little, the Palestinians fight back, and Israel goes “help help! They’re attacking me!” Then proceed to take even more land. 

For almost 80 years now we’ve been witnessing the inevitable tension that comes from two groups laying claim to the same land. You can back whoever you want in this conflict, but just be honest about it. Palestinians want their homes back, and Israel wants the entire levant region. Those two goals are incompatible with each other, and it’s highly unlikely that a two state solution can last.

Let's be clear. In the past Israel has offered or atleast agreed to 2 state solutions. Bill Clinton even spoke of the time Arafat came close to agreeing to it. Israel removed all its citizens from Gaza and let them choose their own government. They elected Hamas. A terrorist group that since 1980s had in their charter that they want to remove all the Jews from the world.... after launching over 20,000 rockets from Gaza into Israel after their win, they were nice enough to clarify their charter to just wanting to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine. 

If Hamas is in power, there will never be a peaceful solution for anybody.

Israel has proposed 14 two state solutions, the earlier ones would have given Palestine about 6x the dirt they have now and huge rights. They shot them all down because the goal is not a Palestinian state, the goal is killing Jews. 

The Jews have proposed in good faith multiple solutions, Palestine cares more about killing Jews than having a country. 

CandusManus

1 state solution people are baffling.

imagine seeing a guy trying and failing to lift something heavy, then walking up to him and honestly saying "yea doesn't look like you'll be able to lift it like that. have you tried only using one hand?"

SymphoDeProggy

One possible scenario is Israel ethnically cleansing enough Palestinian to have a state on the whole land with a clear Jewish majority (60%/70%). I sincerely hope this does not happen, but if the international community does not step up, seems we are heading there.

Independent-Gur9951

Honestly there is no reason for Isreal to ever concede anything anymore. They are the strongest military in the area by far, the strongest economy not based on oil in the area. They will never give an equal say to the Arab population in Isreal. 

davidcornz

As an American Jew who has spent extensive time in Israel, and is very knowledgeable in the situation here’s my take. 

On the two state solution:
A two state solution is possible, but only under the condition Palestine is a demilitarized state not governed by Hamas or Fatah (PLO). Some new internationally backed government would have to take control. Even if this did occur it would not happen for years at this point. Furthermore, since October 7th occurred the 1967 borders are no longer on the table, and a larger security buffer for Israel will likely be in the final layout. Lastly, Jerusalem would have to be recognized exclusively as Israel’s undivided capital for Israel to accept this plan.

On the one state solution:
Obviously nobody wants this, but this would only occur through displacing nearly the entire population of Gaza and the West Bank. With Hamas and other Palestinian aligned groups attacking Israeli civilians on a consistent basis this concept is brought up only as a threat to encourage the release of hostages and get concessions to make a peaceful solution. Nobody can attack Israel, and walk away from the situation in a better standing than before. Israelis have the right like every other first world nation not to live under rocket fire, terrorism, and the risk of being taken hostage. Israel will likely push towards the one state solution until all the hostages are released, Hamas demilitarizes, a new non-Hamas/Fatah government emerges, and Jerusalem is recognized as Israel’s undivided capital. Once those criteria are met a two state solution can happen, and there can be a permanent peace like Israel has with Egypt and Jordan. It’s especially important to remember that Jordan is actually a Palestinian state, and this demonstrates that Israel is indeed willing to live in peace with Palestinians. I’m praying for peace, but unfortunately I don’t see it coming any time soon with the aftermath of October 7th…

Baconkings

I don't think were on track for any kind of peace or "solution" at this point.  Israel has just more or less openly revealed a plan to ethnically cleanse and take over Gaza.  In terms of the West Bank they've also openly said they no longer support the possibility of a 2SS and intend to have full sovereignty and control over the entire Palestinian population there while not extending any form of suffrage to the people living there, which is essentially well and truly makes them the apartheid state that everyone has long accused them of being.  Given that there's seemingly no one interested stopping them in any serious way from doing this, that is pretty clearly the future that the Israelis have chosen.  It's pretty bleak.

Roadshell

Palestinians have clearly stated their intentions many times to entirely remove the Jews from their land.  The Jews have repeatedly stated they will not leave and this is now their home.  The Jews are willing to negotiate to split the country, but the Palestinians are not.  You can’t force people to make peace when they do not want to.  They aren’t toddlers that we can put in different rooms and place a gate between them.  These are two adults who believe they own the same house and are willing to defend their property with their lives.  Neither wants a different house.

This war will continue until there is only one group left, and any solutions will come directly from them.  A 50/50 split of a single state is absolutely not on the table as a possibility if they can’t even agree to a 2 state solution.

Here4Pornnnnn

Israeli here : Some of us want the whole place. Most of us don't. (We are a diverse society like every country)
But right now, even those who don't want the entire place  won't trust the palestinians with any piece of land.

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